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Episode 3: The What, When, Why (and Why Not) to Refer

Check out this episode of Art of the Referral, with Eric Ström, JD, PhD, where we discuss legal and ethical considerations of mental health referrals. As a licensed, practicing clinician, ethics expert, AND attorney at law, Eric is a POWERHOUSE of knowledge. We cover topics such as the importance of collaboration, the need for clear referral guidelines, and the potential risks and benefits of waitlists.

Episode 6: Referring to Couples Counseling 101​

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Anna O'Brien speaks with Elizabeth Earnshaw, a licensed family and marriage therapist, about the nuances of couples counseling compared to individual therapy. They discuss the importance of referrals, the impact of relationship health on overall well-being, and the need for therapists to recognize their limitations. Elizabeth emphasizes the significance of collaboration between therapists and the need to overcome the stigma surrounding couples counseling. The conversation also touches on resources for therapists to better understand couples counseling and how to approach referrals effectively.

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Episode 2: It's Not You. . .It's Me!

It's important to recognize when something is truly outside of our scope of training and expertise. Meet Erin Berenz, PhD. She's the founder of Rebound Health and trauma researcher, expert, and practicing psychologist. In this episode, we explore countertransference in therapy and its relationship to referring out.

Episode 5: Eating Disorder Treatments: Referral 101 - Part I and II

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Host Anna O'Brien and guest James Runyan, LPC, MS, MFT, CEDSS, f.IAEDP, delve into the complexities of eating disorders, exploring treatment modalities, the importance of family dynamics, and the personality traits that often accompany these disorders. They emphasize the need for effective communication and collaboration among mental health professionals to provide comprehensive care for patients and their families.

Episode 8: Navigating High Conflict Divorce

Host Anna O'Brien speaks with Dr. Chloe Haaz about the complexities of mental health referrals, particularly in the context of high-conflict divorce. They discuss the importance of understanding the dynamics of family conflict, the role of therapists in navigating these situations, and the ethical considerations involved in documentation and diagnosis. Dr. Haas shares her insights on setting boundaries, conducting evaluations for family court, and recognizing when to refer clients to other professionals. The conversation emphasizes the need for therapists to maintain neutrality and objectivity while supporting their clients in challenging circumstances.

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Episode 1: Introducing Art of the Referral

In this first episode, Anna introduces Art of the Referral and describes the purpose and content of the series.


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Episode 4: Exploring the Frontier of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy

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In this podcast, Christopher Brown, LICSW, speaks on "Exploring the Frontier of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy." With ketamine and other psychedelic clinics popping up seemingly overnight, there is so much we need to educate ourselves on as providers. I turned to Christopher for answers because of his experience as an EMDRIA-certified provider and experienced practitioner and thought leader in the realm of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Join us while we learn about considerations, ethically, clinically, and legally, of the administration and best practice of the use of psychedelics in treatment.

Episode 7: Undiagnosed Autism in Adult Women

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Host Anna O'Brien and Azlen Theobald, discuss the nuances of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), particularly focusing on gender differences in diagnosis and symptom presentation. They explore the challenges faced by women with autism, including the subtleties of social communication, the impact of late diagnosis, and the phenomenon of camouflaging. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurate diagnosis and the need for clinicians to be more aware of the signs of autism in women, as well as the implications for treatment and support.

Title slide for a presentation titled 'Countertransference: It’s Not You... It’s Me! with Erin Berenz, PhD,' featuring photos of Anna O'Brien, LPC, a clinician and host, and Dr. Erin Berenz, PhD, a co-founder and chief product officer at Rebound Health.